Comments on: Merb 1.0 RC5 http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/ Rails 3, Ruby & MacRuby news - tutorials - consulting - training Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:50:31 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: » MerbWatch: Merb 1.0 RC5 (Final Release Candidate!) is now out http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-175 » MerbWatch: Merb 1.0 RC5 (Final Release Candidate!) is now out Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:54:30 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-175 [...] The Merbist just announced that Merb 1.0 RC5 (Release Candidate 5) is now out: “This is the final RC before we ship 1.0 final at RubyConf. Here is a really quick rundown of the bugfixes and improvement added to this release: [...] [...] The Merbist just announced that Merb 1.0 RC5 (Release Candidate 5) is now out: “This is the final RC before we ship 1.0 final at RubyConf. Here is a really quick rundown of the bugfixes and improvement added to this release: [...]

]]> By: Yehuda Katz http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-173 Yehuda Katz Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:33:19 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-173 @mike the goal with Merb is to make both the 80% and 20% possible. This turns out to be a very hard problem, and we've been working for almost a year on 0.9. To ameliorate the "dependency this dependency that" problem, we released tge merb stack, which gets installed with gem install merb. If you use the stack, you don't need to worry about "plug this in plug that in", everything works out of the box. We've been working hard on bundling, which lets you create a version of your app that will run on any machine, including a remote machine with just ruby and rubygems installed (or any configuration of gems). Again, this turns out to be a pretty hard problem, and Rubygems (esp. 1.2) fights us every step of the way. We haven't brought classloading and dll hell to Ruby, we've exposed some underlying issues with the Rubygems implementation that doesn't happen if you don't support code reuse and modularity to the extent that we do. We're working with the rubygems guys to improve this for the future, and have some ideas that we can do in Merb itself to further reduce the potential for problems. Thanks for your concern. @mike the goal with Merb is to make both the 80% and 20% possible. This turns out to be a very hard problem, and we’ve been working for almost a year on 0.9. To ameliorate the “dependency this dependency that” problem, we released tge merb stack, which gets installed with gem install merb. If you use the stack, you don’t need to worry about “plug this in plug that in”, everything works out of the box.

We’ve been working hard on bundling, which lets you create a version of your app that will run on any machine, including a remote machine with just ruby and rubygems installed (or any configuration of gems). Again, this turns out to be a pretty hard problem, and Rubygems (esp. 1.2) fights us every step of the way.

We haven’t brought classloading and dll hell to Ruby, we’ve exposed some underlying issues with the Rubygems implementation that doesn’t happen if you don’t support code reuse and modularity to the extent that we do. We’re working with the rubygems guys to improve this for the future, and have some ideas that we can do in Merb itself to further reduce the potential for problems.

Thanks for your concern.

]]> By: mike http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-172 mike Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:21:50 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-172 for a framework that is supposed to simplify things, merb sure lacks quality control. so much is focused on the 20% that Rails doesn't do, what about the 80% that Rails does do? this framework feels hacked together. it's becoming like J2EE, plug this in, plug that in, dependency this, dependency that, wait something is better this week, plug that in. you guys have brought DLL and Classloader hell to Ruby. for a framework that is supposed to simplify things, merb sure lacks quality control. so much is focused on the 20% that Rails doesn’t do, what about the 80% that Rails does do? this framework feels hacked together. it’s becoming like J2EE, plug this in, plug that in, dependency this, dependency that, wait something is better this week, plug that in. you guys have brought DLL and Classloader hell to Ruby.

]]> By: Matt Aimonetti http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-167 Matt Aimonetti Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:09:16 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-167 @geoffrey booo :p O man of little faith, why are you in doubt? Ok we still have some issues on Edge but I wouldn't call them major, 1.0 final probably won't be perfect but it's a stake in the ground and we won't wait 6 months to release a 1.0.x Since you're coming to RubyConf, let's have a chat and help us decide if 1.0 will be ready by then or not. - Matt @geoffrey booo :p
O man of little faith, why are you in doubt? Ok we still have some issues on Edge but I wouldn’t call them major, 1.0 final probably won’t be perfect but it’s a stake in the ground and we won’t wait 6 months to release a 1.0.x

Since you’re coming to RubyConf, let’s have a chat and help us decide if 1.0 will be ready by then or not.

- Matt

]]> By: Thibaut Barrère http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-166 Thibaut Barrère Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:15:30 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-166 The nightly gem server for edge is a great idea. It's ok to have a few more RC's I believe, these are there for a reason :) Keep up the good work. -- Thibaut The nightly gem server for edge is a great idea. It’s ok to have a few more RC’s I believe, these are there for a reason :)

Keep up the good work.

– Thibaut

]]> By: Merb - Got me a blank working project! at Nicholas Orr http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Merb - Got me a blank working project! at Nicholas Orr Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:03:16 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-157 [...] Merb 1.0 is almost here and I’ve finally got it to work out of the box! [...] [...] Merb 1.0 is almost here and I’ve finally got it to work out of the box! [...]

]]> By: Nicholas Orr http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-156 Nicholas Orr Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:51:03 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-156 Ok i did this > http://gist.github.com/22251 and it seems to work - is this the recommended way to go about it? My goal was to have a blank merb project with everything bundled Ok i did this > http://gist.github.com/22251

and it seems to work – is this the recommended way to go about it?

My goal was to have a blank merb project with everything bundled

]]> By: Geoffrey Grosenbach http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-155 Geoffrey Grosenbach Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:43:22 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-155 "This is the final RC" Very optimistic! Unfortunately, .14 is already on the edge gem server and there are many outstanding bugs in Lighthouse. Maybe after 3 or 4 more RCs? “This is the final RC”

Very optimistic! Unfortunately, .14 is already on the edge gem server and there are many outstanding bugs in Lighthouse. Maybe after 3 or 4 more RCs?

]]> By: Matt Aimonetti http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-154 Matt Aimonetti Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:48:39 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-154 @srdjan good question, the short answer is "not only". Sure the speed bump is nice, and hpricot got better today (followed by Nokogiri which caught up). However bugs and inconsistencies in hpricot plus the need for a XPath => CSS converter pushed us to look at Nokogiri. (Doesn't mean you shouldn't use hpricot at all) Also, note that nokogiri is only needed in development not production. @srdjan good question, the short answer is “not only”.
Sure the speed bump is nice, and hpricot got better today (followed by Nokogiri which caught up).
However bugs and inconsistencies in hpricot plus the need for a XPath => CSS converter pushed us to look at Nokogiri. (Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use hpricot at all)

Also, note that nokogiri is only needed in development not production.

]]> By: Srdjan Pejic http://merbist.com/2008/11/03/merb-10-rc5/comment-page-1/#comment-153 Srdjan Pejic Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:18:50 +0000 http://merbist.com/?p=201#comment-153 Did you guys switch to nokogiri for a performance boost? Cause, you know, _why has already beaten it with hpricot. Just asking, :) Did you guys switch to nokogiri for a performance boost? Cause, you know, _why has already beaten it with hpricot. Just asking, :)

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